The Trouble with Transporters

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  • John Reed
    John Reed 8 giờ trước

    Appreciation for the subject of the transporter suicide machine’s choice of shirt color :)

  • Cavalio Thorson
    Cavalio Thorson 2 ngày trước +1

    You experience the exact same consciousness you felt waking up as you did falling asleep. If I'm a copy/imposter with all the same stuff there's 0.0% difference to the original's existential experiences in the world.

  • Ricca Deuricca
    Ricca Deuricca 2 ngày trước

    This is a question if you need to break apart you (for copying your data) and reassemble it later. can't you clone yourself later because there is already a data of you and you don't need to break yourself again to receive the data? but from the No cloning theorem you can't make a perfect cloning?

  • Ozair Kazi
    Ozair Kazi 3 ngày trước

    what about projection

  • Cult Of AC
    Cult Of AC 3 ngày trước +1

    Maybe that’s why we can die after just a few nights without sleep

  • Aaron Bulmahn
    Aaron Bulmahn 3 ngày trước

    Okay ... how about you don’t rip through dozens of theories of philosophy. If this go on I will not only study a useless major but also lose the ability to act all smart around everyone else because everyone knows all of these things already :

  • Shawn Schick
    Shawn Schick 3 ngày trước

    Thanks Grey, now I will never get to sleep.

  • Tiago Macedo
    Tiago Macedo 4 ngày trước

    "Two identical copies of the same person can disagree, *therefore* people must have some some unmeasurable property (in this case consciousness/identity" is a really bad argument. The two copies could disagree because they've had different subjective experiences of the world *since* they were duplicated. Also, they both arguing over who is the original is actually a case where there is no disagreement: they each think they are the original.

    The teleporter/duplicator isn't a valid objection to the idea that we're physical-only beings. And that only makes it more terrifying.

  • E3ECO
    E3ECO 6 ngày trước

    So using a transporter is like going to sleep.

  • JoeyPowerline
    JoeyPowerline 6 ngày trước

    i wachted this at 3am

  • effyleven
    effyleven 8 ngày trước +2

    Being serious, I had heart surgery. I was unconscious on the table for some hours, with my heart stopped and my temperature brought very low.
    When I came around, and the long process of recovery started, I knew I was me, but I didn't FEEL like "me." I felt diminished, as if I was slightly out of body, WATCHING myself doing what I was doing. Not wholly OOB, you understand, but just a bit "zombified."
    Then, about two months later I woke up in the morning and suddenly I was "back!" That morning I truly felt like ME again... as if my personality had been restored. It was quite a big difference and not gradual at all.
    I don't know if these feelings were significant, but I understand a lot of people feel similar after deep and extended anaesthetic.

    • Joaquin Alvarez
      Joaquin Alvarez 5 ngày trước

      I remember feeling this way throughout a 8 month long depression cycle.

  • ThatGuy Man
    ThatGuy Man 8 ngày trước

    How do we know we don’t “die” when we fall asleep and our morning consciousness aren’t copies with the same memories

  • TheIrishSoveit
    TheIrishSoveit 9 ngày trước

    well no more sleep for me

  • Jordane1794
    Jordane1794 9 ngày trước

    Living With Yourself is this

  • Dakota Anderson
    Dakota Anderson 10 ngày trước

    I'll just take the shuttle, guess what I'll have fire support when I land

  • Elijah Ford
    Elijah Ford 10 ngày trước

    I’m ‘gonna have nightmares tonight.

  • Vitabrick Snailslime
    Vitabrick Snailslime 10 ngày trước +1

    I give others the benefit of the doubt as to their actually being conscious all the time. Still........
    p.s. I also doubt the warmth of deaths embrace.

  • James Connolly
    James Connolly 10 ngày trước +1

    james

  • Sam O
    Sam O 11 ngày trước

    Geez.. CPG dark gray

  • antiisocial
    antiisocial 11 ngày trước

    Dead

  • Dallas Fargo
    Dallas Fargo 11 ngày trước

    Dark city much

  • Non ya
    Non ya 12 ngày trước

    Knowing star-trek and it's post-abundance society, they wouldn't allow or accept a suicide booth- I believe it is more likely that they've mastered how to move matter from one place to another, so the device holds your conscienceness after destroying your old body, therefore your are still alive since the thing that is in perhaps laymens terms or a scientifically less accurate way: The soul, which is the building block of the mind, then clones you, then puts your consciousness into the body.
    Thus, when you fail to dissemble the body before hand it's consciousness can disagree with you because it suddenly lacked a chunk of you, like imagine if you were walking along and lost a chunk of your self, but that self proceeded to grow into it's own body. Except that part has a shard of your consciousness, thus. Since it's you 1.5 seconds in the future, or in Riker's situation: YEARS before you went down the path you did, it will come up with different situations as, we as humans tend to become different week by week slightly or dramatically as life dictates.

  • robert shoemaker
    robert shoemaker 12 ngày trước

    Fuck me!

  • Javier Arvelo-Cruz-Santana
    Javier Arvelo-Cruz-Santana 12 ngày trước

    What. The. Fuck!?
    Love the channel. Hate this video.
    WTF! WTF! WTF!

  • Co Charles
    Co Charles 13 ngày trước

    You really just telegraphed this one in. You don't even get a telephone for this one. You missed the Shrodinger's cat proposition, you missed spooky action at a distance and the double slit experiment. Also in the Star trek universe there are beings called the Q who know if we are the same person on the other side of the transport. Also if a transporter is just an assemblage of atoms then the borg need not assimilate they could just manufacture a specialized drone.

  • Eugene Coleman
    Eugene Coleman 13 ngày trước

    They actually cover this issue in the prequel. The guy that invented them is on though show and talks about all the people who argued it's not the same person on the other side. He mockingly refers to them.

  • Stairway Unicorn
    Stairway Unicorn 13 ngày trước

    see also, RA, THE PATH OF THE SUN GOD.
    the question raised in your video has been contemplated since ancient Egyptian times.

  • slothfulcobra
    slothfulcobra 14 ngày trước +1

    As fictional physics, since they say that it doesn't work like that, then it doesn't work like that. The opinions of philosophers on their own personal version of fictional physics are largely immaterial.

    There's episodes where transporters do absolutely crazy things like de-aging people or warping them into a whole nother universe, which goes beyond the assumption of just assembly/reassembly and into ranges of doing things that just don't make sense even by the normal standards of fictional physics, and far away from the idea of a fancy fax machine.

  • TheGreatYukon
    TheGreatYukon 14 ngày trước

    There isn't a reason to think sleep is a death at least. You are still conscious during that, you're still thinking, just in a less free-willed way than you usually do. You might as well say every instant is a new being, yes you can't prove it's NOT true but I say use Occam's Razor here and say that doesn't make any sense. The continuous stream of consciousness is the best answer, so interruption in that could be an issue. General Anesthetic still has you alive, though you are purposefully hovered close to being dead, basically comatose. Even people who have "died" and been revived didn't necessarily die, as that is measured through your heart stopping which is a stupid standard. Anyone who suffers complete termination of thought, brain death, and is revived though? Yeah, that's analogous to the Star Trek transporter.
    The way I find myself concerned about that is the questions it brings up when talking about consciousness-transfer. Downloading yourself into a thing is just stupid, backups aren't actually *you* so that kind of Altered Carbon shit just doesn't work. The solution I came up with was brain replacement. If you replace a brain cell with an artificial one that doesn't have the decaying issues that flesh has, you should still be you. My reason for this is losing one brain cell doesn't lead to death of consciousness (presumably). So, if you could replace one then why not replace two? Ship of Theseus later, replace everything that is your brain with a new medium, WHILE the process of self is still ongoing. You could even do it while you're awake. From here it raises the question, could you teleport using this logic? Generate an identical segment of brain on one side of a room, with you standing on another. Connect your brain remotely with that one (somehow, QEDs maybe idk), turning off the corresponding segment in your existing brain. Repeat this until you are now on the other side of the room. This entire process was done while you were conscious, there wasn't a moment where you weren't there thinking as if your brain was the same as it was before. In essence, you've teleported. Star Trek transporters do not work this way, but could we theoretically make something that does? Make a protocol of data transfer that, combined with some very different computer hardware, lets your mind be mobile on a network of moving data, allowing the digital self. You never COPY yourself, and you don't move yourself like data moves on your computer (which is just a copy and delete bundle). It's like moving a program from one computer to another, without the process ever terminating. Whether this is technologically feasible I have no damn clue, but the idea seems sound.

  • AStuff
    AStuff 14 ngày trước

    Look up: They might be giants sleep

  • Joseph
    Joseph 15 ngày trước

    You are a conciousness created by continuous neutron firing, like a light powered by a crank, the crank stops, the light extinguishes. If the teleporter transport you without skipping a neutron beat, then you never stopped existing, but if your brain activity stopped for a few seconds then you are dead for a few seconds.

  • Harvey Beaver
    Harvey Beaver 16 ngày trước

    "maybe your bed is a suicide machine. ... sleep well tonight."

    ...and I was watching this way past midnight and planning to go to sleep afterwards.

  • centerflag982
    centerflag982 17 ngày trước

    Didn't Enterprise actually address this itself?
    (And before anyone says "ew ENT sucks," piss off, your argument is invalid because Scott Bakula)

  • LEGO Gamer
    LEGO Gamer 17 ngày trước

    Wrong video to watch write before I go to sleep

  • Pillarship Empire Employee #0
    Pillarship Empire Employee #0 17 ngày trước

    But if the consciousness inhabiting my body dies each night, that means there are very many dead lives, so wouldn't there be a very low chance of me being conscious right now?

  • Nathonion
    Nathonion 17 ngày trước

    so basically, the answer must be that if you sleep, then a transporter is safe!

  • N. D.
    N. D. 17 ngày trước

    I am a big Star Trek ® fan, so please more videos on the subject. (*Yes hee* consistently inconsistent)

    • N. D.
      N. D. 17 ngày trước

      *tee hee

  • The Hyper Gamer
    The Hyper Gamer 17 ngày trước

    I would argue the sleep thing. I mean, yes, you do go unconscious during sleep, but it's a natural unconscious. Your brain isn't fully shut off, it's resting. It's still active just not all of it. Same for if a boxer gets knocked out, sure he's on the floor, not moving, but he's still breathing and thinking, his brain was just put into an involuntary rest period. To die means there was a period your organs completely failed, including your brain. That would be where the argument of brain death comes to question. Had a nasty accident and died but got brought back to life? Well...then you could argue if you were actually you. But even then, you technically didn't die...your heart and other vital organs just failed, and your brain was still alive, just...hanging on by a thread. And it isn't until you reach full and irreversible brain death, that you are without a doubt dead, and you cannot be the same person anymore.

  • jagaimo348
    jagaimo348 18 ngày trước

    oh come on, THIS IS RIDICULOUS DO YOU THINK I WAS BORN YESTER-- oh

  • Manuel Lindner
    Manuel Lindner 18 ngày trước

    I once dreamed about my death and then being in another place and time in another family being born, I died again because of something and woke up in my bed again.
    I still do not believe in anything other then the dark void in the end.

  • Molly.Dog8 Brooke
    Molly.Dog8 Brooke 20 ngày trước

    This video reminded me of the weird existential thought I get once and a while about how I can never truly know if everyone around me is just a figment of my imagination. Or that I’m not apart of some cruel tv show or something. Idk, it’s a weird thought that scares me sometimes.

  • Thom Brown
    Thom Brown 22 ngày trước

    I wrote a blog post on this very topic once: thombrown.blogspot.com/2010/09/why-i-refuse-to-use-transporter.html
    Wormholes for the win!

  • ΑΙΜΙΛΙΟΣ ΣΠΗΛΙΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ

    My theory is that whenever a new "now" starts (approximately every eight seconds) our consciousness indeed dies fading out and the new one is born fading in and then... "I told you before!" Well, the other you told me. Your dead past self.

  • TheShreester
    TheShreester 23 ngày trước +2

    _In his book The Physics of Star Trek, after explaining the difference between transporting information and transporting the actual atoms, Krauss notes that "The Star Trek writers seem never to have got it exactly clear what they want the transporter to do. Does the transporter send the atoms and the bits, or just the bits?" He notes that according to the canon definition of the transporter the former seems to be the case, but that that definition is inconsistent with a number of applications, particularly incidents, involving the transporter, which appear to involve only a transport of information, for example the way in which it splits Kirk into two versions in the episode "The Enemy Within" or the way in which Riker is similarly split in the episode "Second Chances". Krauss elaborates that: "If the transporter carries both the matter stream and the information signal, this splitting phenomenon is impossible. The number of atoms you end up with has to be the same as the number you began with. There is no possible way to replicate people in this manner. On the other hand, if only the information were beamed up, one could imagine combining it with atoms that might be stored aboard a starship and making as many copies as you wanted of an individual."_
    Above quote taken from:
    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transporter_%28Star_Trek%29

  • Mateo Gg
    Mateo Gg 24 ngày trước

    5:40 fucking watch me

  • Kaspar 005
    Kaspar 005 24 ngày trước

    this video brings a whole new meaning to new day new me

  • Anthony Castillo
    Anthony Castillo 25 ngày trước

    Existential crisis anyone?

  • Pemze
    Pemze 25 ngày trước

    The thing is though I can remember my past days vividly and feel that I experienced them, with the certainty that when I awake tomorrow I will be like I am now, so even if I was destroyed and a copy replaced me, why would I care?

  • Nuttymeemps
    Nuttymeemps 25 ngày trước

    No matter where you go, there you are.

  • Orion D. Hunter
    Orion D. Hunter 25 ngày trước

    The 0.00000000001% still scares me

  • Brandon Parnell
    Brandon Parnell 26 ngày trước

    Sleep is a practice for death because that's all death is from the point of view of a person a slip of consciousness but forever

  • Gustavo Martinez
    Gustavo Martinez 26 ngày trước

    I was always under the impression that the "pattern buffers" were storing some continuous stream of your consciousness - perhaps virtualizing your body's electromagnetic fields in a similar way to sleep's suspension before replacing it all in the vessel - the meat and the energy all at once. This would imply that transport is actually moving the "undefinable" or "immeasurable" of the human psyche, consciousness isn't any more interrupted than sleep (which I disagree is death - your brain continues to process and think and feel, just in an altered state) and that the fears of instant death are unrealized.

  • Onychoprion27
    Onychoprion27 26 ngày trước

    The issue I see with comparing a transporter vs anesthesia or sleeping is the transporter destroys the network, while surgery and sleeping doesn't. Sure individual atoms Ship of Thesus inside our brains constantly, but neurons -- the network -- don't (or do but very slowly), so the network is preserved through unconsciousness. Not so with teleporters. If consciousness is an aspect of the network, a teleporter would destroy and make a copy which the original network wouldn't experience (thus, couldn't ve conscious about).

  • Cilly Honey
    Cilly Honey 27 ngày trước

    This is why I'm an insomniac.

  • Thegamingboy 55
    Thegamingboy 55 28 ngày trước

    Obviously Grey hasn’t heard about the no cloning theorem

  • Lord Odysseus
    Lord Odysseus 28 ngày trước

    If I'm vaporized into nonexistence, then cloned a moment later, then, as far as I'm concerned, I'm still me. Cully Sark? That's a brand new ship. Ship of Theseus? Same ship. My clone that was copied from milliseconds before my death? Cully Sark. As long as I think I'm exactly the same, that's all that matters.

  • TheRastaDan
    TheRastaDan 28 ngày trước

    the rule: you dont eat where you shit, doesn't applay to Enterprise crew members

  • Bryan Batcher
    Bryan Batcher 28 ngày trước

    Bastard.

  • Andrew Weishan
    Andrew Weishan 29 ngày trước

    I think this comes down to class and instance...
    You are not you rather you are an instance of you.
    If say you have the blue prints to the empire state building before it is build and instead of one you build two at the same time the question is - which of the two is the empire state build.
    The answer is - they both are...
    What make the empire state build is not the brick and mort as much as it's design and attributes.
    So the hard thing to come to terms with is the we are never really alive in the first place rather we are simply in motion

  • AStarToSteerBy
    AStarToSteerBy 29 ngày trước

    Jesus, Grey, not gonna sleep for a month now 😱